Lost in Time - der Missing Episodes Thread

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    • Pascal schrieb:

      Aus aktuellem Anlass Grabe ich diesen Thread raus. Die Gerüchte verdichten sich, dass

      Marco Polo
      Enemy of the World
      Web of Fear

      Bereits in den Händen der BBC seien und das weitere Episoden folgen. Abwarten!



      Haste vlt. eine aktuelle Gerüchte-Quelle dafür?^^
    • Pascal schrieb:

      Aus aktuellem Anlass Grabe ich diesen Thread raus. Die Gerüchte verdichten sich, dass

      Marco Polo
      Enemy of the World
      Web of Fear

      Bereits in den Händen der BBC seien und das weitere Episoden folgen. Abwarten!



      Haste vlt. eine aktuelle Gerüchte-Quelle dafür?^^


      Der Missing Episodes Thread auf Gallifreybase


      Edit:

      Ein paar Kommentare von den vertrauenswürdigen Insidern von GB aus den letzten Tagen:

      I believe that all 4 episodes of the Moonbase have been found, but I think we are still going to get the animated episodes. The contract for them has been signed and the funds allocated (not sure if they have been paid), so there will be very little money saved by stopping the animation. A poster on another forum mentioned that he heard the animation was on hold, which may be while they decided what to do. Personally, I think the scheduled DVDs prepared or in progress with the RT will come out as planned (dates may change) and anything on missing episodes will be with the "new" team (The "new" team are not necessarily all new people!)


      Originally Posted by puqui
      I got a list of the episodes not included around the start of April, in a face to face conversation, with copies by text and email from other sources over the next 6 weeks. It hasn't changed much in all that time, one version did have the Abominable Snowman episode(can't remember how many), but that isn't on the other lists. I've not heard any reasons why things like Invasion are still missing (I think we know why DMP is on the list), yet later things like Space Pirates has been found. 90 episodes has been a very consistent number since the start of April, even when the list didn't add to that number! However, it started to fade over the summer, (talk was around 40 to 50) but recently I hear it much more strongly, from multiple sources, can't say I've been convinced although have no reason or information to dis-agree, just don't know the real number. I also can't speak to the episodes still missing off the recovery (assuming its true), again, just don't know the specifics. Personally, once I heard Power was found, all bets seem to be off on what else has been found. It does sound if the rumors turn out true, we'll have all Hartnell except DMP and Troughtons except for a handful. (To be clear, I'm only 100% on 17, above that I'm hopeful but can't be 100% at the moment)


      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Audible Print
      To our American fan with numerous contacts... is your recollection of "the list" and how it emerged along the same lines? Does this list still hold weight with your most reliable sources?


      If there's a list, the only one I saw was everything recovered except -

      DMP (9)
      MTTU
      Ice Warriors (2 episodes)
      Wheel in Space (although there are conflicting reports with this one - recovered in full or one episode missing)


      Agreed, but I have lists with the Invasion episodes missing also. I've also heard various things on Wheel and as I said before, 1 version of the list I've seen also has Abominable Snowmen on the list (no mention if it is 1 episode not found or the whole thing).

      I wouldn't get too hung on the list, I was warned that the specific episodes may go in and out as they check the contents and verify them (told could work both ways, either find something extra missing or more likely, something missing may not be in the can - Don't know at what point they were checked so this may already have been done, which may explain some changes on the lists I have). Also, I have heard that as the list of missing episodes became more known within official circles, there was more focus given on finding specific episodes, which may explain the Wheel in Space rumor. Again, mostly this is guess work on my part beyond the lists, so happy to be corrected if someone knows more specific info on these.

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    • Positiv: es wäre wundervoll, wenn wirklich so viele fehlende Serials zurückkommen würden, ich glaube niemand der an den Classic Folgen Geschmack gefunden hat würde traurig sein, wären eines Tages mal alle Folgen in irgendeiner Form vollständig anschaubar, egal ob wiedergefundenes Original oder Vollrekonstruktion mit anderen Mitteln (Zeichentrick) und diese Neuigkeiten klingen vielversprechend. So gesehen hoffe ich das Beste, bzw dass möglichst viel dieser Postings sich als die reine Wahrheit herausstellen wird und die wiedergefundenen Folgen auch von dem Material wieder abgelesen und digitalisiert werden können, je nach Zustand ist das ja das nächste Problem.

      Negativ: irgendwie ist da noch viel unbestätigt, es gibt noch überhaupt keine offizielle BBC Nachricht zu dem Thema und die vielen verschiedenen Versionen von Listen und Gerüchten lassen irgendwie keine Ruhe aufkommen, es wäre möglich, dass auf lange Sicht das Fandom glücklicher geblieben wäre, wenn man auch auf Seiten der "informierten Insider" auf den Moment gewartet hätte wo die BBC offiziell die "gibt es, gibt es nicht" Bekanntmachung oder eine neue vollständige Liste an die Öffentlichkeit gegeben hätte.
      Diese heissbrodelnde Gerüchteküche sorgt doch nur für Unruhe und erzeugt aus sich heraus die Nachfrage für noch mehr Gerüchte und Behauptungen, bis am Ende niemand mehr was genaues weiss und die BBC nur noch enttäuschen kann mit jeder Nachricht ausser der, dass doch alles zu 100% gefunden, wiederherstellbar und demnächst auf DVD zu haben wäre. Und ob man daran glauben sollte? Ich denke eher nicht.

      Also ich denke am besten fahren wir mit dem britischen Volkssport... Abwarten und Tee trinken ;)
      • Ad infinitatem ac plus ultra! •
    • Ich möchte zwar den Gedanken nicht ganz verwerfen, aber möchte auch nicht unnötig Hoffnung aufbauen, die dann kaputt geht.
      Und darum lies ich mir auch diese "Listen" nicht durch, denn wenn die BBC wirklich verlautbart, dass Material in die Archive zurückgefunden hat, freu ich mich irrsinnig, auch wenn ein paar Serials von diesen Listen nicht mit dabei sind.
      Currently Watching:
      Peter Davison
      Peter Capaldi
      ...und:
      Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Rick & Morty,
      Twin Peaks, Narcos



    • Ich hoffe einfach, dass irgendwas an diesen Gerüchten dran ist, und freu mich über jede Wiederaufgefundene Folge - und wenns nur eine einzige sein sollte! ^^ Klar wärs toll, wenn tatsächlich so viele der bislang verlorenen Folgen wieder vorhanden wären, aber damit beschäftige ich mich erst, wenn die Sache von der BBC bestätigt wird... dann allerdings werde ich ein Freudentänzchen aufführen und dazu laut singen! (p_p) ;)

      A World of Time and Space inside a funny Blue Box...


    • Eine Sache die auf GB ein bisschen diskutiert wurde und irgendwie auch recht einleuchtend klingt:
      Diese große flächendeckende Suche nach verlorenen Episoden ging erst 2007 los, zumindest in der jetzigen Form. Zuvor wurden in den meisten Fällen die Archive der Welt nur per Telefon und Telex angefragt. Und wenn die "Ham wa' nich!" gesagt haben, dann wurde ihnen das auch geglaubt. In Hong Kong ist dann trotzdem noch im Nachgang das komplette "Tomb of the Cybermen" aufgetaucht. Aber nicht weil Fans oder Leute von der BBC persönlich hingeflogen sind und das Archiv selbst durchkämmt haben, sondern weil die Hong Konger (Nennt man die so, schreibt man die so? |8 ) per Zufall auf die Filmrollen gestossen sind. Wer weiß also was da also noch so rumlag ohne das jemand davon wusste? Dann mal so ganz dumm gedacht... die müssen ja nicht unter D wie "Doctor Who" wegsortiert worden sein, sondern unter T wie "Tomb of the Cybermen". Oder P wie "Power of the Daleks". Oder W wie "Web of Fear". Und wenn man die Anfrage nach "Doctor Who" bekommt und im Archiv nachsieht, dann ist selbstverständlich nichts zu finden.

      Und zuvor hat sich wegen den ganzen (Reise)Kosten nie jemand die Mühe gemacht mal persönlich nachzuschauen. Man darf halt nicht vergessen daß vor 2005 Doctor Who von der BBC sehr stiefmütterlich behandelt wurde und es finanziell auch nicht für sinnvoll hielt für diese Suche soviel Geld auszugeben. Das hat sich, jetzt wo die Serie diese monströse Geldmaschine ist, jedoch ins komplette Gegenteil verkehrt.

      Episoden wurden zuvor zwar natürlich über den Telefon-Weg gefunden... aber der Großteil der so genannten Missing Episodes kamen aus dem Bestand von Filmsammlern in England. Und für die musste man auch nicht weit reisen, diese "Archive" lagen ja praktisch links um die Ecke.

      Hinzu noch... man darf nicht vergessen wie und wo andere verschollene Filme aufgetaucht sind, und das manchmal in den obskursten Orten. Die komplette Fassung von "Metropolis" lag z. B. nicht irgendwo in einem alten Kino in Baden-Württemberg, sondern in einem popeligen Archiv ganz weit weg in Argentinien. Dinge können also den seltsamsten Weg gehen. Das sieht man z. B. auch dieser einen "The Sky At Night"-Episode die in Afrika gefunden wurde. Die Show wurde zu dem Zeitpunkt nur live gesendet und eigentlich wurden nie Telerecordings gemacht... und doch lag sie da rum. Komisch, komisch.

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    • Auch sehr interessant...


      Tom Spillsbury tonight wrote ...

      “But I'll believe it when I see it with my own eyes, and not before. (And I haven't seen anything with my own eyes, before anyone asks.) If people believe rumours before they've seen it with their own eyes, I do think they're letting themselves in for disappointment, yes.”

      Right before the disclosure of UM 2 and Airlock ...

      Nov 23, 2011 at 12:32pm a person on MEF asked the missing episode hunter:

      “...several unfounded rumours seem to be circulating about missing who's.”

      The answer on Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43pm:

      “Heh! Well, everyone knows my motto here. I believe it when I see it!”

      But then on Dec 11, 2011 at 7:24pm:

      +++++++++

      Hi all,

      I know you now all know what we've been keeping from you for months. I'm afraid we had the 'Galaxy 4' film returned to us at the end of July and 'Underwater Menace' on September 19th.

      We decided quite early on, that the best place to announce 'Galaxy 4' was at Missing Believed Wiped, because there's nothing more annoying that announcing something and then not be able to see it for months. As most people on this forum should be attending MBW, I thought you wouldn't mind. So we had a 30 minute slot for Project T.

      Then (name) the film collector found another film and we realised that this would be slightly more of a restoration job. I contacted the National Archives of Australia who have known about the discovery from the start and we put into motion the re-scanning of the censor clips so we could reinstate them.

      When we did finally watch the episode (which we called Project Horsey), we felt anyone else watching it would reassess their view of the story, so we elected to screen that episode in an enhanced slot at MBW, plus a short 5' 30" extract of Galaxy 4.

      Sorry we couldn't say anything. It was very difficult towards the end to keep it off the forums.

      Enjoy,

      +++++++++

      So, I'm not sure what to think.

      You see, the missing episode hunter was just telling us his motto. He wasn't answering the question. Misdirection? Yes. Saying a false denial? No.



      Edit:

      Hier ein Artikel zum Thema von Wales Online:

      walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/fil…episodes-rumoured-4571617

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    • Charles Daniels auf GB:
      I went around to the house of a British TV executive. The topic of the 50th anniversary came up. During that conversation, the topic of missing episodes came up. They said something very interesting which I took to be a denial of the whole thing. I asked them to elaborate if they could and they made it clear that I had misunderstood, it was not a denial but a confirmation in a round about way. Once I got what they were trying to tell me, they gave me a smile and firmly changed the topic with the clear message that follow up questions would not be answered.

      I saw no missing episodes. Not so much as a telesnap. But by the end of the short exchange a rather serious claim had been made.

      Um es mit den Lauten eines Hartnells zu kommentieren: "Huuuuu-hu-hu-hu-hu-hu-hu!"
    • Scot Ferre auf GB

      Good morning!

      I thought this would be a brief post, but perhaps it won't be.

      First of all, I do want to thank the actors, actresses, writers, directors, script editors, and production team members for making Doctor Who in the time period of 1963 to 1969. Even if a lot of their work is officially missing, they are appreciated all the same.

      Secondly, I strive to be honest and understand what it's like to be a fan, like anyone else here. But please remember this - I do not believe in entitlements, as a general rule. By that, I mean that we fans do not need to know everything there is to know. I actually hate speculation - waste of time for me. But I'm a student of the truth. I ask questions. And I got plenty of answers about this particular subject. But not all answers are appropriate to share - the public, or fandom, are not entitled to know all the details. I do try to share what I can, while respecting confidentiality.

      When I report on the missing episodes, a balance must be achieved. Giving just enough details without compromising any jobs, leaks, or reputations. And I must also add that a balance is also required on the part of those who are currently associated with Doctor Who. Because of that balance, I strongly urge my fellow fans to take it easy, and not push anything. The truth will come out in due course. There are reasons for the misdirection that is occurring. We need to respect that whenever we can.

      I suspect that one of those reasons is trying to maximize the surprise. There will be an announcement in the next three months. But the surprise would be lost if it became more widely known or published, or if one of the authorities accidentally confirmed the existence of the "missing" episodes. As it is, it's relatively low-key at the moment, that talk about the MEs are "simmering". I haven't seen anything online that could blow the lid wide open that required certain people to post. There was no need for them to post. They could have kept quiet. When they do post, it certainly causes division and boils the water some more. It's counterproductive. It doesn't work when posts like that are made. When people with sources or those who believe read the posts, it only strengthens the resolve to post more and more. Truth has a funny way of doing that.

      It's not a "nonsense" or "ridiculous" business. Missing episodes are back, along with lots of other stuff.

      The reason I got into all of this rumor business is because I was curious as to why there was a rumor, and it wasn't debunked as fast as other rumors have been. The BC article and the tweets from a certain prominent fan were intriguing. I sought the truth, and started to keep track of who said what and how many people had posted positive affirmations of the rumor. I asked questions, and then as I posted relevant information in the threads, I got more and more PMs from people. Then I posted some more, and more PMs came. The interesting thing is - most of the information remained consistent, with a minor detail or two being different - and this was across all kinds of people in the entertainment industry. Restoration, DVD production, BBC/BBCWW, and a few other industries I can't name here. I was able to see a good, big picture of what was happening. That picture cannot be revealed in full - not yet. But because of that, I was able to figure out what important details I could post.

      I had posted earlier that no one has approached me to stop posting. If they had, and explained why, I would have backed off, provided I was satisfied with their explanation. But they haven't.

      Over the last 24 hours, I have received several PMs from both old and new sources. There are two PMs that particularly got my attention. One of them called their own PM the "smoking gun", and I agree.

      It's not footage. But a quote from a famous person. I know that the BBC and members of the current production team and other professionals currently associated with Doctor Who are reading this thread. It's not any of them, if it helps them to feel better about breaking confidences. No, this is a person who is intimately involved with Doctor Who, and definitely knows about the missing episode business. This person is part of the Classic Doctor Who series, and well known throughout fandom.

      I'm not ready to post this quote yet. But it definitely puts to bed all the denials that have been made so far.

      Whatever the reasons for the denials and misdirection are, they have got to be for good reasons. Trying to maximize surprise for when the time comes, I believe, is one of them. Negotiations may be a second reason, although there are conflicting information on what's happening there. My best information says that DW finds are safe, but negotiations are still occurring for the non-DW finds.

      I'm currently compiling my PMs. So far, to put it in perspective, I took about 30 PMs, and put them in Word. They expanded to be about 20 pages so far, in Calibri font at size 11. I have about 120+ more PMs to sort through. I'm expecting a 100+ page document.

      I don't expect to publish any of them. I hope not. Sure, there may be some interest in archiving them for posterity, as a historical document of what has happened this year. But they would have to be heavily redacted to protect people. Nevertheless - when people comment that these past events would make a fascinating study, they're absolutely right. They would be thrilled to read what I have.

      I will be including the "smoking gun" PMs in that compilation, when I'm done. One of the details that I will share from them is - commentaries are being recorded for the missing stories. Even the ones with all of the episodes missing for certain stories. As I said, I will hold onto the quote for when I need it.

      Now, if people don't believe the information that I have, that's okay. We can wait. I'm not here for glory or anything like that. I'm here because I'm one of you, too.

      To repeat, I have the utmost respect for the production teams, both old and current. That is why I am choosing not to repeat certain details I have heard, especially in the last 24 hours. Because no matter how damning the details may be, they are people like us, too - they are just fortunate to work in their current capacities. And I cannot imagine the strain and stress of hiding what they need to hide. I'm pretty sure that they would love to share in the same joy of knowing that MEs are back. And they will be able to - when the official announcement comes down.

      So please give each other a break, and that includes giving a break to the people who are working with or aware of missing episode recoveries. Time and patience is required on all of our parts.

      Thank you and have a great day/evening!
    • Sierra Leone.
      Immer mehr deutet darauf hin, dass dieses vom Krieg gebeutelte Land die Rettung für alle Doctor Who Fans sein könnte oder vielleicht schon gewesen ist. Bisher hieß es immer der Sender dort hätte sein gesamtes Archiv, das nachweislich missing Episodes gehabt hatte, im Jahr 1999 in den Aufständen verloren. Damals hat dann jeder das Land aufgegeben. Nun hat sich wohl herausgestellt, dass die Bombardierung nur das musikalische Archiv betroffen habe. Hier eine Zusammenfassung von Gallifreybase:

      OK, for anyone who doesn't want to trawl through pages and pages of text, here is a summary of the Sierra Leone saga.

      On 13th December 2011 on the Missing Episodes Forum, a missing episode hunter said:

      "I can now confirm that there is no material in Sierra Leone, but I can also say that we think the report is correct, that there were Dr. Who and other films in Sierra Leone in the early 1990's. In fact, we think we know which ones.

      I'm afraid that between 1991 and 2002 the civil war prevented any meaningful exploration of their archives and we very recently discovered that the TV station, including their entire archive, was destroyed during the civil war, we think in 1999.

      The list of material lost is far too distressing to print here."


      On 15th Dec 2011 he said:

      "When the dust has settled, the story will be told, and it's surprisingly quite interesting."


      On 16th Dec 2011 he said:

      "We think the episodes in Sierra Leone were Galaxy 4 through to The Smugglers."

      (Note - except Mission to the Unknown and The Dalek Masterplan)
      So that includes missing stories

      GALAXY FOUR
      THE MYTHMAKERS
      THE MASSACRE
      THE SAVAGES
      THE CELESTIAL TOYMAKER
      THE SMUGGLERS


      And now the five articles discovered online:

      Official Sierra Leone Broadcasting Corporation report, no longer visible at the SLBC site. You can still see the report at
      web.archive.org/web/201308110...Final-Copy.pdf

      Page 17 Paragraph 6:
      The first Sierra Leonean Director, Mr. John Akar, was appointed in 1960. He established the Gramophone Library in 1958 and the first set of records and tapes were provided by the then Colonial Government. Apart from providing the musical needs of the SLBS, the Library preserved Sierra Leone`s “Sound History” Archives. Unfortunately, the Library was burnt down by rebels during the 9th January, 1999 invasion of Freetown.

      A University thesis
      sites.rnw.nl/pdf/Popular-Musi...erra-Leone.pdf

      Page 58 paragraph 3:
      In the course of their burning and looting campaign through Freetown, the aligned rebel forces also
      destroyed Sierra Leone’s national musical archives which were attached to the SLBS studios. Several generations of
      recordings burst into flames.

      News article:
      politicosl.com/2013/05/twitte...gossip-280513/

      The SLBC lost its sound archive when rebels burned down the library in the closing stages of this country’s
      civil war.

      From an academic book:
      books.google.co.uk/books?id=6...20slbs&f=false

      In January 1999, the rebels entered Freetown and set fire to the gramophone library.

      A university paper by by the same author:
      THE GRAMOPHONE LIBRARY OF THE SIERRA LEONE BROADCASTING SERVICE
      sierraleone-vibe.nstemp.com/contact.html
      Written prior to its destruction, this paper details the history of the archive. It only covers sound.


      And to add to those five documents we have the Radio Times article which mentions Sierra Leone:
      radiotimes.com/news/2013-...or-<br /> not

      "...some were sold to other countries and according to the rumours, [] a diligent enthusiast of British TV,
      and especially Doctor Who by all accounts, has found many hours of material in, of all places, Sierra Leone."

      And we also have a Kasterborous article which has a comment disputing that the film archive was destroyed:
      kasterborous.com/2011/12/...-sierra-leone/

      "Rubbish! The television vaults at Sierra Leone are far from destroyed! I known of two people who are employed as researchers there and I was in touch with them only two years ago. I did ask then about the rumours about the civil war reducing the building to rubble but they denied this saying that only the entrance suffered damage during a mortar attack. The complete destruction reported widely stems from propaganda stories initiated by the opposition forces (they also reported the apparent destruction of other landmarks). I will definitely ask them next time I contact them to enquire exactly what’s in the archives. It’s probably more a case of what has been saved to this day than what’s been blown to smithereens."

      Therefore, I believe that the film archive still stands and their holdings were intact.

      I believe the powers that be are fully aware of this.

      I believe that Season 3 of DW incorporating the stories above has already been recovered from Sierra Leone.




      Update:


      Ich habe mal eine PN an Scot Ferre auf Gallifreybase geschrieben und nach dem Zitat gefragt, welches von einer bekannten Doctor Who Persönlichkeit stammen soll und eindeutig bestätige, dass die Episoden gefunden wurden. Mit diesem Zitat hat er im Forum die kritischsten User überzeugt. Leider wollte er es bei mir nicht herausrücken. Er müsse vorsichtig sein, dass es sich nicht zu sehr verbreite und habe es deswegen nur sehr wenigen gezeigt. Er hat ja Recht... Ich würde es gleich hier veröffentlichen! ;)


      Edit:

      Ich nehme mal an, dass Anneke Wills in Kontakt mit dem Informanten ist. Sie hatte auch schon auf einer Con angedeutet, dass es vielleicht bald mehr altes Material von ihr zu sehen gibt, woraufhin jemand sie schnell unterbrach. Und das hier hat sie in Entertainment Weekly gesagt:

      'EW:Are you excited to see [Billie Piper] coming back?
      AW: [...] I'm afraid it was a bit of a damp squib for me I have to say. Much more exciting if they found a lost episode or two, that would be really exciting.'


      Weiteres Edit:


      Originally Posted by Pascal
      Why is everyone giving us different times? This is too confusing. It's hard to keep up what and who to believe anyway!

      "See a previous post of mine (#172) and previous posts!

      A lot of people have de-bunked any gravitas concerning the 50th Anniversary as a timing for a missing episode find announcement.

      I think that this is the perfect timing for a missing episode find announcement, but it would have to be before November 23 so as to give each event clear space. There are only four and a half weeks between Nov 23 and Dec 25, so that space is filled with ooohs and ahhs and everyone amazed at the 50th ep and what could possibly happen on Dec 25. They will of course also be ooohing about any other tidbits and wonders that tie-in with new-Who (as well as the doco for classic Who).

      If you are going to release a DVD of a story that was presumed missing, it will be known about at least five weeks before the release date. Therefore because an announcement of a missing episode find will not be the leak of a DVD release (because that is way too weak), said announcement would have to be at least five weeks prior to Nov 23.

      Now if you are going to make the announcement a TV Special, with bells and whistles and actors and missing episode finders (if the MEHs don't want to remain anonymous) then you're going to have to advertise it so that we all watch it. Much like "The Next Doctor Revealed" special.

      So there's probably at least another week... so in my opinion letting the cat out of the bag that "MISSING EPISODES HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED" will take place mid-October latest, if a DVD is going to be released around the end of November of a presumed missing story of Doctor Who.

      And why not? If Enemy of the World is ready for DVD, and Web of Fear is ready for TV, why not make this a jolly November?

      So: we'll get an announcement that a lot of missing episodes have been found shortly. Do we get an announcement of every single episode that has been found straight away? Well... the BBC could play around with that for a few weeks couldn't they?

      All of the rumours of the 90 and delaying of announcements until the 50th, in my opinion, adds up to one awesome advertising campaign, whether this was the original intent or a welcome coincidence!"

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    • So mal nebenbei angedacht und angenommen diese Fundsache stimmt... Vielleicht wurden ja nicht 90 bisher nicht existierende Folgen gefunden, sondern "nur" 90 Rollen bis denen unter anderem auch bisher nicht existerende Folgen dabei waren? Und zwar eben die drei Geschichten die schon seit Ewigkeiten gerüchteweise die Runde machen? Dazu dann vielleicht noch ein paar Einzelepisoden... dazu dann die in den Bleeding Cool-Artikel genannten 2 Duplikate von "Marco Polo" und anderen ungenannten Geschichten. (Am besten, um so richtig zu nerven, 3 Komplettsätze vom Web Planet und, als cherry on the top, "The Space Pirates - Part 2".)

      Diese ganze Sache mit den animierten Episoden (und wie mit den nur zum Teil unkompletten Serials umgegangen wird) finde ich jedoch nach vor etwas urig. Es ist ganz einfach seltsam wie sie mit "Underwater Menace" überhaupt nicht aus dem Tee kommen und es nach wie vor keine rechte Ankündigung dazu gibt. Bei "The Moonbase" ist es natürlich denkbar dass der Titel verschoben wurde weil die Erstellung der Animationen länger braucht als erwartet... aber vielleicht ist es auch zu ihr gekommen weil Dan Hall nun endlich über den Fund der zwei bisher fehlenden Episoden informiert wurde? Diese müssten dann natürlich noch restauriert werden... während die Animationen als Bonusmaterial bleiben.

      "Tenth Planet" bleibt in der Sache eventuell noch offen, aber vielleicht war Episode 4 auch ganz einfach nicht beim Fund dabei. (Und mal so kurz nebenbei eingeworfen: Ich verstehe eh nicht warum sie die meistbegehrteste Folge von allen sein soll. Der einzige Grund dafür ist die Regeneration am Schluß... und die existiert in bewegten Bildern. Von daher... hum? :07: ) Und was "The Crusade" angeht: Entweder sind Teil 2 und 4 im Fund dabeigewesen... oder sie werden nicht animiert weil man damit rechnet dass sie sich finanziell nicht lohnen. Cybermen und Ice Warriors lassen die Kassen nun mal eher klingen als irgendein obskures Historical. Und wenn es stimmt was man so hört waren die Verkaufszahlen von "Reign of Terror" eher enttäuschend.

      Hmm, oder so. Das sind jedenfalls grad so meine gerüchtigen Gedanken zu den Omnijobbies.
    • Naja, ich hab' jedenfalls festgestellt, dass ich mit dem Restholz meines letzten Projekte eh nur einen Regalaufsatz bestimmter Grösse bauen kann und der wird dann auch gebaut, egal, was da noch anrollen mag. Zur Not geht es dann irgendwann nochmal zum lokalen Schweden.
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    • Die ganzen Gallifreybase-Quellen behaupten ja, dass es schon 90 Missing Episodes, dazu hinzuaddiert noch bereits vorhandene Episoden seien.

      @Kaoru: Wo hast du das mit "Reign of Terror" gehört? Ich Las irgendwo, dass sich die DVDs mit Animationen weitaus besser verkaufen und von vornherein bessere Vorbestellungen hätten.

      Scot Ferre:
      Okay, I just caught up on my PMs, and this thread.

      It was an explosion, to say the least. (I expected that, but it was a great deal of work!)

      That said, I gained several new sources, some of which provided extremely intriguing information.

      But it's going to be a while before I can reveal some of the contents of my PMs.

      In summary, though, this is the gist:

      Episodes (90+) are back
      Unclear on the status of them - too much noise there - time will tell - I'm not going to discuss the negotiations aspect. Either they are finished or still ongoing - it's one of the two.
      Enemy and Web restored and prepped for release
      BBC/BFI/BBCWW involved
      No clear indication where the episodes came from - it's still a jumble of countries that are being reported

      With these in mind, please give the recovery teams a break and time, and I hope we will have patience for them, too.

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    • Pascal schrieb:

      Die ganzen Gallifreybase-Quellen behaupten ja, dass es schon 90 Missing Episodes, dazu hinzuaddiert noch bereits vorhandene Episoden seien.

      Möglichmöglich. Aber warum sagen so einige offizielle Whomenschen man soll bei diesen Gerüchten besser aufpassen, ansonsten würde man ja später sonst sooo enttäuscht sein? Das könnte übersetzt durchaus heissen dass es mehr als diese drei kompletten Geschichten nicht gibt.

      Pascal schrieb:

      @Kaoru: Wo hast du das mit "Reign of Terror" gehört? Ich Las irgendwo, dass sich die DVDs mit Animationen weitaus besser verkaufen und von vornherein bessere Vorbestellungen hätten.

      Das war nur Laberrhabarber wie ich ihn über das Jahr hinweg auf Boards und etc verteilt gelesen und mitbekommen habe. Ob das 100% so stimmt ist natürlich eine andere Frage. Es kann aber auch sein dass es extrem viele Vorbestellungen gab... danach aber kaum noch Exemplare abgesetzt wurden. Oder so. Aber irgendeinen Grund für diese crusadige Animationsstille muss es ja geben...
    • 90+ ? Also irgendwie scheint die Anzahl der gefundenen Episoden mit jedem neuen Gerücht zu steigen. Bis Ende der Woche sind wir dann wahrscheinlich bei 107 wiedergefundenen Episoden angelangt - und damit dem Punkt, langsam misstrauisch zu werden... ;)
    • 90+ ? Also irgendwie scheint die Anzahl der gefundenen Episoden mit jedem neuen Gerücht zu steigen. Bis Ende der Woche sind wir dann wahrscheinlich bei 107 wiedergefundenen Episoden angelangt - und damit dem Punkt, langsam misstrauisch zu werden... ;)

      Das mit den 90+ Episoden hält sich jedoch schon eine Weile.

      Tom Spillsbury, der ja darauf hingewiesen hat, dass viele enttäuscht werden könnten und für einige daher als Gegenbeweis für gefundene Folgen angeführt wird, gab aber selber zu nichts zu wissen. Ich denke mal, die haben wirklich nur die wenigsten und wichtigsten Personen eingeweiht. Auch das Restorationteam arbeitet ja momentan nicht mehr für die BBC und scheint, mit einer Ausnahme, nichts zu wissen.

      Edit:

      Rückzieher von Scot Ferre?

      I have heard concerning news about Marco. It's just one source, though, but I am trying to get further confirmation.


      und

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by thesunneversets
      I don't need to think you aren't acting in completely good faith and with the best of intentions, to point out that you are now a person who can say one week "Marco Polo is definitely back, 100% certain, everyone rejoice, you'll be seeing it soon" and then the next week "actually maybe I was premature about Marco Polo". Doesn't bode all that well for our other alleged dead certs

      Enemy and Web are fine. Never fear about those.

      Not sure about Marco.



      Update


      Über die Vertrauenswürdigkeit des Restorationteams, vor allem Paul Vinzencis:


      Those who trust everything the RT says might find this interesting:

      "I doubt we will know anything about anything before Paul is ready. There may be nothing at all in any of the rumours, but as I called paul two weeks before the announcement of the two eps of terry's in 2011, with the correct info and was deliberately mislead, by someone I thought was a friend and trusted one at that. After all he was the one who suggested the cover story when I had rescued Death to the Daleks part one (full version 625) from a watery grave at woodlands, in that it supposedly was supplied from the amatuer tv society, who had a copy. That cover story was used for a long time. There are other matters I wont elaborate on now where both paul and I were involved. You would have thought someone who has helped recover material and was archive asst at the archives wouldn't be left out of the loop as it were. It seems now I have retired down south, it's out of sight out of mind!

      I wouldn't necessarily trust anything Paul comes out with....I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just talking from personal experience.

      So hopefully this post wont be 'accidentaly or deliberately removed."

      Comes from the finder of Wheel in Space 3. It's currently on the MEF.


      08.09.2013:

      I hear the announcement will be made in Nov and I've always said that the BBC is mad keen to announce something as part of the 50th, so we may get a partial announcement on just some titles (was an idea discussed a while back, may no longer be the plan, not heard any updates on the content of the announcement). If we don't, so what. Would the recovery of UWM & G4 back in 2011 have been materially different if they announcement had occurred in Dec 2011, Jan 2012 or even Jan 2013? They were still found, held onto and announced at an appropriate time. I have not a single doubt that if the BBC can announce in Nov, they will do. If they can't (still a while away), then they won't. The doesn't change anything in real word, if material has been found already and there is or isn't an announcement, those episodes will still be found. If no episodes have been found at the present, regardless of what is or isn't announced, then no episodes will have been found.



      Edit edit edit edit

      So langsam wird dies ein Gigantoposting:


      Just adding more fuel to these flames - at the recent Evening With Derren Nesbitt at The Cinema Museum, host Jonathan Rigby introduced Derren by running through some of his credits and said when he got to Marco Polo that he'd been told that day that 'we would be seeing it again before the end of the year', but didn't say how he came by that information.
      One poster added that "Also, Rigby is good friends with Mark Gatiss".

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    • "Also, Rigby is good friends with Mark Gatiss".



      Dennoch, so laaaaaangsam könnte diese Gerüchtesaga meinetwegen mal ihrem Ende zugehen. Das ist ja so als ob man alle Herr der Ringe-Filme in der Extended Edition hintereinanderweg gucken würde, den Fan Club-Abspännen inklusive! Jedenfalls... wenn sich der ganze Kram nun wirklich als wahr herausstellen sollte, dann kann mir der ganze Trubel um John Hurt und Co so egal wie nur irgendwas sein. Und wenn doch alles letzten Endes nur Unsinn war, dann muss ich mich halt einsam und allein mit der Tenth Planet-DVD in einer Ecke verkrümeln und das Beste daraus machen.
    • Eine kleine Zusammenfassung von offenen Fragen:

      Posted elsewhere, but as folk are nailing colours to the mast now here's what is keeping me from saying 'I just don't believe it'. Nine of the below are opinions, simply odd things that put together just don't seem to stack up properly. Again, as has been asked of the 'believing' crowd, unverifiable source. And opinion won't cut with the below - the burden of proof swings both ways.

      *Why has the release date for Tenth Planet been moved forward?

      * What does the ‘reconstruction’ element mean here: bbfc.co.uk/website/Classifie ... C90055C7ED. Note: I know that Pt 4’s animation has been cleared separately but appears now to be a ‘special feature’. Think this happened for Ice Warriors, hard to work out.

      * Why has the anniversary month been left blank for Classic DVD releases (barring the series 1-7 Blu-ray boxset)

      *What are the problems with the anniversary repeat of An Unearthly Child?

      *What was in the TIEA container shipment in 2011? We were told it was ‘Cultural materials’ from Africa but nothing since. 8000 cans being migrated would take one individual forever (yes, I have personal experience here) so it seems likely this has been farmed out. Why have no leaks come from restoration companies involved in this?

      Why was the Wales Online piece pulled back in June?

      Why have we not had a definitive, closely worded denial from the BBC? Responses seem to be met with silence or open ‘cannot confirm’ statements. All it need say is

      ‘The BBC can confirm that no ‘missing episodes’ have been returned to them since the last find of UWM 2 and Airlock in 2011, nor has any third party recovered any episode; nor is any third party in negotiation regarding ‘missing episode’ recoveries”

      *Why have no animation tests etc (barring headshots) for ‘Moonbase’ been released, despite the DVD being slated for release this year?

      *Why have we not heard the results of the BFI/BBC archive search, started in 2011?

      Sigh, there’s probably more.