Sehe mir gerade die Lost in Time DVDs an. The celestial toymaker interessiert mich sehr. Ebenso alle Dalek Folgen. Geht nichts über die Pfefferstreuer
Ich fand den Celestial Toymaker auch besser als er von vielen hier gemacht wird. Mir gefiel die Thematik. Erinnerte ja fast ein wenig an Alice in Wonderland...
Eben weil es sich absondert bzw mal was anderes ist, eine Geschichte im spielzeugland bzw einer gameshow, in der es um einen Planeten geht. Klingt doch interessant.
Phil Morris hat heute drei Stunden lang in der Facebook Gruppe Fragen beantwortet. U.a. Wissen wir jetzt, dass das Restoration Team nicht involviert ist und er andere Restaurationspartner unter Vertrag hat.
Das lässt mal wieder sehr viel Platz für Interpretationen und noch mehr Unsicherheit. Mir wäre es mittlerweile lieber, wenn es heißen würde: Ja es kommt 2014+ weitere Episoden auf DVD oder Nein, es kommt nichts mehr auf DVD. Dieses doofe Rumgestochert macht mich ganz kirre. 
Naja, vielleicht hat er Leute gefunden, die ihr Handwerk besser verstehen und bessere Ergebnisse versprechen. Das zeigt aber auf jeden Fall schon mal, dass was kommen wird. Denn wieso sollte man ein Restaurationsteam unter Vertrag haben, wenn es nichts zu restaurieren gibt?
Hier die zusammengefassten Antworten. Alle unbeantworteten Fragen und sonstiges Gerede sind mal wegeditiert:
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Wirklich witzig. Am besten Ton leise stellen und die Untertitel mitlesen.
Alle tief durchatmen. The whole story. 
ZitatAlles anzeigenPhilip Morris started his search through Africa in 2009. His efforts initially turned up the following material. All of Marco Polo, all of Reign of Terror, all of the Crusade, all of Galaxy 4, three episodes of the Myth Makers, all of the Massacre, all of the Celestial Toy Maker, all of the Tenth Planet, all of the Power of the Daleks, all of the Enemy of the World, all of the Web of Fear... yup, ALL and two episodes of the Wheel in Space initially - but other stuff surfaced as he continued onwards. BFI have the hoard, RT with Morris are choosing what they work on and what gets released next (Marco Polo, the Massacre and Myth Makers potentially with the Abominable Snowmen set to follow in January). Steve Roberts is very close to Philip Morris and is acting as a conduit between him, the BFI and the BBC - Dick Fiddy also.
I think what a lot of fans don't realise is there were several plans from different organisations as to how this find was going to be revealed. At the beginning, the BFI were working very closely with Philip Morris and were calling all the shots. They are still close to him but have had their power taken away. How has all this happened? When Galaxy 4 and Underwater Menace were found, I heard two versions of the recovery. One was the story we all heard, the more interesting one was that they were orphaned episodes from the first find in Africa.
I've had very good contacts argue both sides of things with me, so I'm not sure. The unofficial version I heard was this. The BFI and Paul Vanezis were keeping it quiet, only telling a few key people to see if an episode recovery could be kept a secret, not to surprise the audience at the BFI event. They wanted to see if telling the bare minimum of people it took to restore and show something, would lead to it leaking or not. They were very happy with how things went with very little chatter occurring at all. But - and here is where things differ from how things played out and why this is all so torturous now.
Originally, these finds weren't going to be kept quiet for phased releases and for maximizing sales and exposure. It was an anniversary gift to fans. You see from the start - and this is stated publicly all over the place, no report on the finds would be forthcoming until the search was 100% over. Not one find from the search revealed at all. The Sky at Night find was revealed because they showed Patrick Moore them before he died and then he mentioned it as he was so excited about it. The other exception was Dr Who fans were going to get something special at the anniversary as long as it didn't jeopardise the search that was still going on. Hundreds of missing shows were being recovered, slightly dubiously by Philip Morris and everyone was scared that if anyone got wind of what was happening, all types of problems would be experienced recovering the material.
The BFI and Philip Morris approached the production office and bypassed BBCWW and a blanket of secrecy fell over the entire recovery. Plans were, I'm 99% sure, to show the Web of Fear leading up to the anniversary episode and have 3 stories - MEW - available on DVD by the end of the year. I don't know when this was settled on as I'm sure 12 episodes plus Galaxy 4 and the Underwater Menace were found first, and Marco Polo must have been recovered soon after for the above plan to be put in place. This would probably have worked if so much more hadn't been recovered in the time between the first recovery and the anniversary. This is where Philip Morris got contacts within the current production team and this is why when further stuff was recovered, it made sense at the time for negotiations to be continued through existing channels.
Being very careful here about what I write as some of the stuff I have heard is down-right libelous but let’s just say isn't it strange that the current show runner, after being so enthusiastic about the huge coincidence that was part of the celebrations for the 50th, and after saying there would be more Who on TV this year than any other, hasn't made a public comment about how wonderful the recoveries are... Anyway, because these first recoveries had set a trend for the way the information was handled and shared, this continued when it probably didn't need to be as the model was based on releasing 3 stories for the anniversary and nothing beyond that. But as new stuff was recovered, the information was passed on and unfortunately - fortunately for us - it all leaked!
Now the BFI had wanted a single announcement for the anniversary year, and then nothing until the search was over. I heard there was another 2 to 3 years of checking archives and cataloging material, so we could have been in for the long game. But because so much amazing material was recovered, the search became a victim of its own success. BBCWW were kept out of things for as long as could be, when they were told, well people were very happy, and then when they heard the time scale of recovery and releases, people were very. very unhappy! BBCWW sort of inherited a version of the way things were being handled and were not happy plans were already in the works, not happy they were cut out, not happy that they were being dictated to as to what was going to happen this year. I heard at first all seemed amicable. Then went to hell with BBCWW eventually saying, well we made the physical prints and we get first refusal of any returns. They were told about Galaxy 4 and the Underwater Menace, and only went along with that plan begrudgingly, and this time, they were going to get things done their way. I think they put an embargo on all the material being broadcast for free until it had been commercially exploited by them for at least 18 months (not 100% on this as lots of it was from phone conversations and I tried to get as much down during and after but that's from memory), though if everyone played nice with them, the BBC and the BFI might get some exclusives over the year.
The BBC as it turns out really didn't care. The production office are fans and thought the repeats would be wonderful and the BBC were interested in showing material what wasn't available at all as they thought it would be a novel idea and get good ratings. Once the whole iTunes/DVD stuff was happening, they weren't interested in showing the material at a later date as it’s all about the ratings. Lots of delays happened with the announcement because BBCWW wanted a big full disclosure recovery press conference but all this cloak and dagger stuff was already in place for the anniversary release and the BFI were determined to keep it secret to protect the recovery of further archive material. I think BBCWW planned press releases for the dates earlier in the year and were going to bulldoze the announcement through. That's when my contacts in BBCWW flipped over and started telling me stuff was coming back but they didn't bank on Philip Morris supporting the BFI point of view - a special announcement for the anniversary with a very firm, “that's all folks!”
I think people I know in BBCWW may have leaked the news to Bleeding Cool to force an earlier announcement but all they got was the “it's all destroyed” Facebook response and I believe that was a warning for them to back off. I was hearing at this time different sides of the same event from contacts I knew in both camps. I was hearing at this time and was telling Scot that we should back off because now the BFI wanted to scrap all plans (well, I shouldn't say that, I should say contacts I know who were in the loop were hearing that was one of the options that was seriously being pushed for by some people). There was a lot of back-tracking and arguing, and we got what we got. I think the secrecy and phases are left over from trying to keep the original discoveries secret for the anniversary and that's what’s affected how things are being handled now.
I don't know Philip Morris but he is a very talked about figure in the correspondences I have had. It's very hard for me to reconcile some of the descriptions I've had of the man with others. It's a strange thing and unless he is bipolar, I think his description is being skewed by the version of events that the source is close to. For example, I have heard some rumours say he is deeply disturbed and impossible to deal with, he has post-traumatic stress syndrome and even the simplest of negotiations are impossible to work through without triggering a panic attack. I have also heard he is a lovely amiable guy, easy to work with, great to interview and a whole lot in between. I think what is most likely is he is a man who has a lot of things different parties want. When things are leaning one way he is great, when things lean to the other side, he's impossible. It’s like how the public can describe the same politician so differently depending if they are in the party you vote for or not. Both sides have told me they have done stuff to 'protect him' from publicity he didn't want, fans and out in the field.
I don't know how accurate my sources are as some have contradicted each other and what has been said online. For example, I don't think he is out of the country as much as some people say he is. I am very sure when some people were saying “at this moment he is here” he was somewhere else doing something else entirely different! I did hear, as has been mentioned on some sites, that at the beginning of this he was going to take a flat fee plus expenses and that seemed very, very reasonable but no one stumped up! Then when he had a little success, his fee went up a little but it still seemed very reasonable to me. It was only because everyone procrastinated and he went on to find the mother-load that the negotiations are more difficult from a financial point of view now. So we find ourselves in this situation of secrets and leaks, changed plans and name calling. I think the flaw in the way the situation was handled is that some parties are still following a release strategy that was planned long ago and became unworkable soon after it was decided upon but the people who decided on it didn't want to change things.
As the rumours grew and changed, how they were handled didn't. Another problem with the situation is that too many fans work for the BBC and BBCWW, or are entrenched where they are influential in making decisions that maybe someone without an emotional interest in the show should be making. I'm not saying I have heard anything unprofessional because of that, more situations where I hear things like, “if we do this one way it works, but if we do this another way it works out the same but 'so and so' would think this and wouldn't that be funny.” For example when it looked like that everything was going to be pulled and we may have to wait a few years before anything was announced, I heard that if that happened it would be funny if it could be made to look like one forum in particular caused the problems leading to the delay and have fandom's ire falling on them for years. The very fans proclaiming the Africa 90 the loudest would be silenced by having it implied they caused problems that made negotiations fall through, when in reality it was various interests behind the scenes. It's fascinating and scary to hear what goes on behind the scenes sometimes. I hope there is a book or document that eventually covers the back ground of this recovery, but I think we are going to get a 'cover story' version.
Right, let's try and make sense of all this. There might be some things here that you've been told or read before, but for a sense of clarity, they'll probably be covered in context again. Let's clarify about what the problem is with Philip Morris. He's 44 and retired. In 2007, while he was working as a technical engineer on an oil rig in Nigeria, he was kidnapped by terrorists along with seven colleagues and held to ransom, tortured and threatened with execution on countless occasions. Eventually, the Nigerian government paid the ransom and he came back to the UK suffering psychological trauma and post-traumatic stress disorder. As soon as he got back, he found his fiancée had left him and his father dead. He was arrested for threatening GBH and causing criminal damage against her new boyfriend and put on trial. He was let off. His company paid him a vast insurance gratuity - believed to be close to £2 million and he inherited a small fortune from his father, who left him the gross profit from the sale of his building contracting company, which was dissolved shortly before his death. So, we're looking at a very wealthy man, and that's when he set up his company, Television International Enterprises Archives.
Before we go further, we should quickly look at what the BBC Archives call Bicycling Hubbing. It applies to all of the channels in the UK, be it ATV, ITV, Associated Redifussion and of course the BBC. Throughout the early 1960's to 1983, there was no formal distribution arm in-house that dealt with physically getting prints of programmes from Point A to Point B. With the BBC, for example, yes there was BBC Enterprises but compared to today, they were a tiny operation and dealt with the contracts and little else. The bulk of actual distribution was carried out by a company Liam Russell formed in 1962 called Television International Enterprises, which effectively couriered prints all over the globe - they went bust in 1986. Here's where Philip Morris was shrewd. He went to Companies House where UK business registration is handled and purchased not only the company title, but also the articles of association for Television International Enterprises, so in effect and perfectly legally, he was restarting the service as it was decades before.
However, his motives were ulterior. No new clients or anything like that, he legitimately started sending out enquiries saying that TIE (as we'll call it from now on) was consolidating its catalogue and recalling all stock distributed from the point of their start of operation onwards. He was able, thanks to owning the company’s business charter, also legally able to examine archive holdings of any given company to check their stock and see if anything belonging to TIE was held. A perfect way to draw a definitive line under what was where and what might exist? Perhaps. The problem has been, putting it simply, the fragile personality of the man running the whole operation.
By 2009, stories of Philip Morris developing OCD were beginning to circulate and how he was using his own money from his settlement and father to travel the world looking for stuff. It seems that in 2010, he found something extraordinary. A central office in Africa had survived with the storage facility not only intact, but packed with thousands of film cans that were accumulated after being 'hubbed', namely sent out to smaller broadcasting stations who returned them after a screening license ran out. We're not just talking BBC material. This represents every UK production broadcaster since at least 1962. The problem has been that no record of exactly what has been stored exists. It's a case of getting stuff back and seeing what's there. However, for the cans to reach the UK, they have to be signed off by the last broadcaster to hold them. Petty paperwork I know but there have been requests of incineration as by alerting them to the cans existing, it's suddenly highlighted the fact they still exist AND that the companies have been charged retainers ever since for storage costs while they wait to be returned to the original copyright holder. With TIE going bust so long ago now, a lot of delicate apologies and refunds are taking place to free the material from the curators who ultimately can have it destroyed if they so wish.
So we now have to take in the Caroline Skinner situation. You know Caroline Skinner worked on Dr Who? Check. You've heard that there was a certain degree of extra time spent outside office hours with Moffat? Check. Well, not really. Turns out Moffat has more than happily let that myth grow out of proportion as she in reality hated him all along. She made him buckle down and write when he wanted to do anything but wound him up by doing her job, basically... the fall out at the BBC PR event in Liverpool, when a slightly pissed Moffat was screaming that she'll be erased from the history of DW in front of journalists? True, but it was taken the wrong way. Moffat had just been to meet Ecclestone and blown the chances of getting him back for the 50th anniversary story because he refused to consider Ecclestone’s request to get Joe Ahearne to direct it. Caroline Skinner went nuts at this and it was game over. Moffat had her fired because she dared to say he'd made a mistake. Joe Ahearne is a brilliant Dr Who Director (Dalek, Parting Of The Ways???), so for the sake of Moffat's policy of not hiring any Directors under 40 years old, the battle was lost. So she went.
Now a bit about BBC Drama and Philip Morris. Morris went to BBC Drama over his potential finds as he believed that there was more value in dealing with the broadcaster rather than their salesmen (namely BBC Worldwide) and BBC DVD had become notorious for leaking information and programmes. Copies of Airlock were being handed round by the Restoration Team like business cards as soon as it got back and for a strictly controlled level of secrecy, they're no strangers to gossip in the BBC Bar. BBC Drama are also acutely aware of ratings winning material as repeats and know that BBC DVD would embargo this until after they'd released it, thus making the broadcast value weaker. There would also be something like a year between release and broadcast so interest would be non-existent. So BBC Drama landed on this with a veil of secrecy like you wouldn't believe! The Restoration Team ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS! Private companies such as Framestore are working on restoration issues.
To facilitate negotiations with TIE, and mainly Philip Morris, BBC Drama appointed Caroline Skinner to do the dealing as with Morris's fragile nature, a soft natured woman was thought to be more tactful that a manic fan. And she worked wonders! Two years ago, the first bits of material were handed back. A whole year ago, twenty two Dr Who episodes were handed over and just as the contracts were about to be signed, with thousands of film cans due to be given back, Moffat sacked her and Morris went running for cover. He had signed an agreement for three stories to be released in time for the 50th; Marco Polo, the Enemy of The World and the Web Of Fear. And now everything from episodes of Out of the Unknown, missing Play For Todays etc., were hanging in the balance. To show his displeasure, there is a story I wouldn't care to formally clarify of two or three plays including the colour Maigret episode from 1969 being deliberately damaged to show what could 'accidentally happen'. As if by magic, Skinner suddenly got offered a consultancy job to restart dealing with Morris and she certainly named her own price. She's now back working on getting material from him and Moffat is being kept well away from the whole situation.
So back to TIE. Enter the British Film Institute; in September 2012, they stepped in with additional funding and resources becoming part of the team helping Morris to secure and restore the material. The BFI have (reportedly) provided storage facilities for the material that's sorted to date and there seems to be talk of a big PR event on December 21st to show off some of the returns.
Right, we'd better address what blew up across fandom. There's a website called Bleeding Cool run by a character called Rich Johnston, who is a notorious scare-mongerer and has the profound belief that he should be the source of all news on Dr Who archive returns etc. He caught wind of what was coming back and promptly leaked the whole story on his website. Enter Ian Levine, weighing in and apparently alarmed that this kind of thing could be happening without being involved directly. Between the two of them hinting and leaking information, they caused the archives abroad to be bombarded with demands for information from any fan they passed the details on to. A crisis meeting was quickly called, and the two of them were stamped on. If they want exclusive material and access to the episodes, then they had to shut up until such time as the BBC were ready - and they have... slightly. However, the fan onslaught has damaged negotiations and Caroline Skinner is trying to mend lines of communication that were very nearly severed completely. It's slowed things down painfully and made Morris frightened. His OCD and PTSD now kick in causing panic attacks whenever he is confronted with even the most simplest paperwork over this and quite literally, a therapist is involved to try and ease the way through getting everything finalised.
So where does that leave the situation? Material has been found, FACT. Material has been returned, FACT. The BBC are announcing it sooner rather than later, FACT. But and this is a huge question mark, there's no complete record of what has been found and what state it's in. It's all very well saying can 36262 has episode three of the Power of the Daleks in it but could it have been water damaged? Has the film corroded? Is there a dust contamination issue? Are the mag tracks for the soundtrack intact? There is at least three years of work going through the paperwork ahead for the BFI and the BBC, and as to what state Morris will be in, only time will tell. Let's clarify this, Philip Morris, legally, has responsibility for the material as his company, based on deals from its original contracts, has to hand it back in the condition it was handed over in. So he has to, legally, oversee restoration before he is required to give anything to anyone and that's the main problem.
Here's what I know about the Morris situation. Again, you didn't get this from me. A word about my sources - they include a new series writer and a classic series actor. I have others but I can't say anything else. Anyway, a couple of years ago, Philip Morris discovered a load of missing episodes in an African country. They included a load of Dr Who, including the Enemy of the World, the Web of Fear, Marco Polo and some orphans (including episodes 1, 3 and 4 of the Power of the Daleks and episode 2 of Evil of the Daleks). Not all are missing of course but they're all in pretty good condition and need a bit of dubbing.
Now Morris sat on them but mentioned them to ‘someone’ who told Russell T. Davies who then passed the info onto Steven Moffat. Moffat went about getting them back, appointing Caroline Skinner to do the negotiations. She secured Enemy of the World, Web of Fear and Marco Polo in good faith but with the caveat that nothing can be announced or released until the WHOLE cache is returned. Morris got them by lying to a local TV company so can't be named. The BBC want to use this as a negotiation tactic but Morris keeps disappearing for months on end.
The hoard is so big the BBC are keen not to piss him off so whilst they are in possession of these, everything is in the balance and Morris could pull the plug at any time. They're also dealing with old companies, dead companies and a load of cast and crew estates and agents - as well as BBC and ITV satellites. What Paul Vanezis is doing is taking a gamble on the deal falling through because he hasn't been told anything in case it all goes tits up then he can deny everything. That's about it right now - well, all I can say.
The following is attributed to someone called Stuart Douglas...
One thing I can tell you is that I've been told very recently by someone who heard it from Steve Roberts that Philip Morris still has Web 3 in his hands - specifically because it's the first meeting between the Doctor and the Brigadier, and therefore one we're all keen to see. The reason for this I'm told is that Morris wants everything released from this trove of telly to be restored properly and the BBC want to throw it all out as is. That and the desire by Morris to have his recoveries all treated like a normal Dr Who DVD in terms of restoration etc., is the main reason for both the delay in announcing and the secrecy in general."
kurzfassung? bitte
Ok, auch eine Methode, die Nacht zu verbringen.
Teilweise klingt es einigermaßen schlüssig, teilweise nach wilder Soap-Schmiererei. Und wenn Leute "EccelstonE" kriege ich sowieso Aversionen.
Now we're playing the waitibg game.
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This game is boring! Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos!
kurzfassung? bitte
Kurzfassung:
Marco Polo und Reign of Terror gefunden (und Staffel 1 damit komplett)
Crusade gefunden (und Staffel 2 damit komplett)
Galaxy 4, Myth Makers (3/4), Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve und Celestial Toymaker gefunden (und Staffel 3 damit bis auf Mission to the Unknown, Daleks' Masterplan und The Savages komplett)
Tenth Planet und Power of the Daleks gefunden (Staffel 4 damit weit entfernt von komplettiert, aber der erste Doktorwechsel gut dokumentiert)
Enemy of the World und Web of Fear gefunden (also auch Episode 3 von letzterem) sowie 2 Folgen von Wheel in Space (in Staffel 5 fehlt dann noch einiges)
Bedeutet letztlich, dass von den derzeit 97 verschollenen Episoden 34 wieder aufgetaucht sind und sich die Zahl damit auf 63 verringert. Aber das war ja nur der ursprüngliche Fund, es soll so noch einiges danach gekommen sein.
Und wie ich schon sagte: es ist gefunden, aber man streitet sich noch um die Ablöse. Oder in diesem Fall um die Aufarbeitung. Phil will alles ordentlich restauriert haben, die BBC will es so, wie es ist, rausrotzen.
Und Moffat ist böse mimimi.
ja den ersten absatz hatte ich auch gelesen... wollte nur in der kurzfassung wissen, was dahinter noch steht, bzw ne inhaltsangabe, ob sich das lesen lohnt, oder obs nur das übliche bla bla ist
Naja, es steht außerdem noch drin, dass man einen minimal großen Personenkreis eingeweiht hat, um herauszufinden, wieviele Leute es wissen müssen, damit es geleakt wird. Außerdem war geplant, das Zeug im Jubiläumsjahr noch mal im Fernsehen laufen zu lassen und auf DVD rauszubringen, allerdings war man sich nicht klar über die Reihenfolge. Dann haben weitere Funde den ursprünglichen Plan zunichte gemacht, und man hat sich mehr denn je über die Veröffentlichung gestritten. Letztlich wurde behauptet, Phil sei bipolar, die einen sagen, man könne mit ihm nicht zusammenarbeiten und er habe eine PTBS, die bei einfachster Papierarbeit und Verhandlungen Panikattacken bei ihm auslöse. Die anderen meinen, er sei ein liebenswerter Mensch.
Ein weiters Problem ist, dass viel von dem Material überhaupt noch nicht gesichtet ist, bezüglich des Erhaltungsgrads.Die ganze Aufarbeitung könnte drei Jahre dauernd, und da Phil vertraglich die Restaurierungsarbeiten überwachen muss, bevor irgendetwas weitergegeben wird, ist hier ein Problem (siehe oben).
Die BBC ist scharf darauf, das Material zurückzubekommen, will aber auf der anderen Seite nicht mit allzu forschem Auftreten und Drängeln Phil Morris verärgern, weil dieser auf einem riesigen Berg Material sitzt und die Sache jederzeit platzen lassen kann. Und Web of Fear 3 hat er sich als Faustpfand behalten, weil dies die Folge ist, in der der Doctor zum ersten Mal auf den Brig trifft.
so - danke, genau sowas wollte ich lesen
Und Carolin Skinner war da irgendwie als Unterhändlerin mit bei, aber dann hat der böööse Moffat sich vom Ekelstein keinen Regisseur aufschwatzen lassen, Zoff mit Skinner, Skinner ist raus, Trubel-Trubel bis Skinner auf anderer Position wieder als Unterhändlerin drin ist. Und überhaupt, die TARDIS-Türschwelle...
ich habe mich bei meiner Zusammenfassung auf die relevanten Sachen beschränkt und die unwichtigen Details, wer mit wem irgendwie Zoff hat, rausgelassen.
Ich bin verwirrt - heißt das jetzt es wurden offiziell Missing Episodes gefunden?
Natürlich nicht! 
